Procedural Justice Beat Intro Voiceover 00:00 This is the Beat—a podcast series that keeps you in the know about the latest community policing topics facing our nation. Interview Barry Bratburd 00:08 Hello, my name is Barry Bratburd and, on behalf of the COPS Office, I’d like to introduce you to Dr. T. Bowman. Dr. Bowman is here to talk to us today about how and why the Arlington, Texas, Police Department is operationalizing procedural justice into their agency. First of all, Dr. Bowman, can you share with us what procedural justice is, what it looks like in a law enforcement agency? Dr. T. Bowman 00:30 Yes, sure. It’s pretty simple. We have to treat citizens we interact with like we need them, like they’re important to us. So we have to treat them with dignity and respect. We have to give them a say. We have to listen to their side of the story and make sure that they understand that we really care in whatever way we interact with them. Barry 00:51 Can you describe how you’re implementing procedural justice in the Arlington, Texas, Police Department? T. 00:56 Well, I tell you, Barry, the most recent iteration of our emphasis on procedural justice has actually been connected with our efforts to reduce crime even further. We’re in a community where crime is relatively low because of police efforts and community policing partnerships. We recently started to meet with every employee and every group in the police department about even further reducing crime beyond our historical lows. We combined our emphasis on procedural justice with a need to enhance citizen engagement. We showed every employee in the organization how they work hand-in-hand, especially in this economy where there are no additional resources. Police officers, additional civilian personnel, and budget resources—we’ve been talking to every employee about the need to reduce crime by increasing compliance, voluntary compliance. We understand that by giving citizens a say, by making them feel respected by the police, by increasing our legitimacy among the citizen population, that we in turn increase their voluntary compliance with the law, which ultimately reduces crime in our city and gets more people voluntarily involved. We’ve engaged every aspect of the agency—sworn and non-sworn—in ensuring, whether they’re interacting with people across a records counter or taking reports by telephone, that they’re still interacting with citizens. They have an opportunity to listen and explain to people and do so in a way that makes them feel like we really respect who they are and what they do. Barry 02:51 Can you give us a couple more examples of how police interactions with the community have changed since you implemented procedural justice? T. 02:57 Well certainly. I can give the records counter example again. For example, our records clerk—now that’s a non-sworn component of the police department— they said that prior to the emphasis on procedural justice and citizen engagement, their primary responsibility in citizen interaction was to provide requested reports, in some cases do fingerprinting, respond to requests for criminal history information and files, and that sort of thing. What’s important is that they recognize that they had a number of interactions with citizens but never viewed them as opportunities to enhance our legitimacy among the citizens. After the emphasis on procedural justice, every employee had a say, an input; they vowed that from now on, in every interaction they had with a citizen across the records counter, they would view that as an opportunity to impress upon that citizen the importance of him or her to our community, to our police department, the fact that their opinion matters, and that we would commit to procedural justice in every interaction. The telephone report operator’s the same. I’ll use that example. What they had done, historically, was receive about a third of our crime reports by telephone. They would call victims of crime back and they would take the report. That’s been a pretty routine process. The citizen has a crime to report. They want to report it by phone versus having an officer go there physically, and so the telephone report operators have taken those reports. With the emphasis on procedural justice, they now see those interactions as opportunities. They understand that the way they treat people on the telephone can have an impact on how they see officers that they confront in some other physical interactions. Those are just two examples of the way that we’ve implemented procedural justice and the way that it’s made a difference to, not just the person doing it, but to the entire agency. Barry 05:16 Well it’s great to hear the perspective of your non-sworn personnel but how about the sworn officers? How do they feel about implementing procedural justice both at the organizational level and the community level? T. 05:26 What the officers have told me is that the emphasis on procedural justice has given them clear direction on my expectation and the police expectation on the cultural aspects of the police department. They know that we want officers fighting crime. We want officers responding to calls. We want officers being proactive. We want them to continue their high levels of activity, but when it comes to treating citizens, we want them to do that with dignity and respect. We will tolerate nothing less. The officers are excited about that. They’re very clear on it, and they’re going forward with that message. I’d like to share just a quick story from just this week, just a couple of days ago. One of my officers, unsolicited, e-mailed me and said, “Chief, I just want you to know that Alfred came into our office today.” Alfred is a homeless guy. He was recently evicted. He’s schizophrenic. He’s also a substance abuser. Another officer has been working with MHMR trying to get him connected with a caseworker, trying to get him some help, and he recognizes that. When Alfred came into the office, he said, “Miss Stephanie, God blessed me today.” She said, “Oh yeah? What did he do?” He said, “Somebody stopped and gave me two apples. I can’t eat apples, and so I thought about you and Officer Griffith and I wanted to bring y’all these apples ‘cause you’re trying to help me.” For that person, the police are legitimate. For the officers in our city, they see that all the time because they treat people with dignity and respect. Barry 07:08 Wow, what a great example. What have been some of your agency’s successes in implementing procedural justice? Have you had any big challenges? If so, how have you addressed them? T. 07:17 Well, all I have to talk about is success. I could go for the next several hours talking about successes. Let me tell you, what we’ve seen is that we cannot implement and continue to maintain our position on procedural justice without seeing some corresponding benefit. The citizens react to being treated with dignity and respect. The business community does so as well. What we’re seeing is, because of the way the cops treat the citizens and the interaction with business owners, we’re starting to see positive impact on economic development and business investment in our city. We’re starting to see a positive benefit where they’re starting to put more money into the city and pay more because of the way that they’re treated. That, in turn, benefits not only the cops but everybody in our city. Barry 08:10 What would you say to other chiefs, especially those who are considering institutionalizing procedural justice, and also to those who think it might just be the newest fad? What would you say to those chiefs? T. 08:22 Well, it’s not a fad. It’s great policing. It’s not new policing, it’s great policing. In the words of one of my officers, it’s just treating people with good old- fashioned kindness. It’s treating folks with dignity and respect. It’s what we who are the keepers of the Constitution, who are committed to Constitutional policing, who are committed to providing to citizens the kind of treatment that they deserve in this kind of government system, it’s an absolute necessity. I would say to every chief everywhere that, while we extend a hand to the citizens and we try to make sure that we’re treating citizens with dignity and respect, it’s critical that we do that to our employees as well. If we take the external and the internal approach and treat everybody like we need them, then we will provide the highest level of service to our citizens and our employees that we possibly can. It’s an absolute necessity. Barry 09:22 Dr. Bowman, thank you so much for providing us with your expertise and your time today. T. 09:26 Absolutely. It’s been a pleasure. Beat Exit Voiceover: 09:29 The Beat was brought to you by the United States Department of Justice COPS Office. The COPS Office helps to keep our nation’s communities safe by giving grants to law enforcement agencies, developing community policing publications, developing partnerships, and solving problems. ####END OF TRANSCRIPT####